Kevin Jack

The Teachers' Right to Negotiate

Posted By: Kevin Jack · 9/11/2012 5:20:00 PM

Is NOT their right to win the negotiation.

And that's the part they & their unions don't seem to understand.

The teachers' main sticking point in this entire process seems to be that their democraic right to negotiate has been taken away from them.  And that's just not true.  (If the teachers unions had no opportunity to negotiate, how did the Ontario English Catholic Teachers' Association come to an agreement this summer?)

The teachers have confused their democratic right to negotiate with their perceived democratic right to win - which they have done contract-after-contract for the past 10 years.  Only this time it's different

This time their boss is running a $15,000,000 defecit.

This time they lose..............and the teachers can't seem to handle that.

Usually, negotiations involve a little bit of give and take from both parties.  McGuinty relaxes a bit on his wage freeze (give) - the teachers accept that they'll no longer bank sick days (take).

This time there was no give and take.  Well, let me restate that, because there was a bit of give.

McGuinty took wage increases, took banked sick days, and took away a few P.A. Days.

And in return, McGuinty gave teachers their jobs.  No job losses.  100% job security.

Which for any other company running a $15M loss, would be considered a huge WIN for the employees.  "Really, we all get to keep our jobs!  Awesome!"

So I guess the teachers did win...................I just wish they could figure that out.

kj@610cktb.com

PS - At one time, 610 CKTB was unionized.  I was a representative.  I have negotiated a union contract for my coworkers.  I sat at the table.  I know what's involved.  Before you assume I'm naive to the way things work.

Leave a comment:

showing all comments · Subscribe to comments
  1. KirkS posted on 09/18/2012 09:06 AM
    Oh my God you are so boring! Yours is the only show I turn off.

    Your whole argument falls apart during your post script when you state that you have sat at the table during negotiations for your coworkers. That right was taken away from teachers!

    Teachers are layed off every year! - do your homework.

    And an interesting thought...if the Gov't didn't like what you said about them on air, would it be right for them to take away the charter sec. 2 right to freedom of the press? You and the rest of the broadcast school cry babies would be up in arms!

    Well...Bill 115 does just that. It cancelled a section of Charter section 2. That's what the teachers are fighting for. Who's next Kevin?

    PS - You are so boring... I hope they get rid of you soon
    1. KevinJ posted on 09/18/2012 09:21 AM
      @KirkS Thanks for your comments Jim,

      Eliminating freedom of speech & the teachers' right to negotiate are NOT even close to being the same. To extend your argument, that would be like taking the teachers' right to protest after Bill 115 was introduced............and I wouldn't want to see that.

      The right to negotiate was not taken away - they (teachers) just didn't understand that the people at the other side of the table (McGuinty) were not budging on their position. Even when you lose, and have to give up everything, that's still a negotiation. The teachers failed to take advantage of their summer window to negotiate (as the Catholic teachers did) because they didn't like the way the negotiations were going.

      Losing the negotiation & not having the ability to negotiate are 2 seperate things that I believe the teachers have tried to call one-in-the-same.

      My opinion,

      KJ
  2. GARYM posted on 09/19/2012 09:51 PM
    First I like your show Mr. Jack, though I frequently disagree with your positions. I enjoy having my views challenged. In this situation there are a couple things that you may not be aware of. Negotiations are a two way conversation and this was anything but. It was a request to sign on the dotted line. To say you lost is to suggest that a anytime the employer makes demands and then imposes them on their employee's that it was just a lost negotiation. The government had a political agenda of getting tough on teachers to try to win a majority. If they had just offered what they offered the Colleges there wouldn't have been a fight to show how far right the Liberals are willing to go to win your vote. Teachers would have signed that contract and the media focus would have stayed on Ornge etc. and other ways the Liberal have wasted tax dollars.
    You mention that the Catholic Teachers Union negotiated an agreement but that would mean putting infront of your members and voting on it. This didn't happen. 5 out of 9 members of the OECTA leadership voted for this under the vailed threat that perhaps the existence of Catholic Boards were on the line. This is not a negotiated settlement this is anything but. Now the government has passed Bill 115 and given the minister of education incredible powers and prevented the unions from negotiating with their employers, denied us our right to strike and continue to lie about this being about wages in the media.
    All of this is a shame and a poor position for the government to take because the union was willing to find ways to help the government reach it's financial goals while trying to maintain certain benefits, including the banking of sick days which I know people in the pubic generally dislike. There is little understanding of the reality that teachers take an average of 7 sick days a year and the private sector takes 6.6 days. This might be an argument for another time but banking days reduces use and saves the province money. Reducing a liability (sick days that were never going to be used does not save the tax player money) but it does make the libs look like their being tough on teachers. The union infact offered the government ways that would actually reduce the education budget by 500million in the public secondary sector alone. These were not explored and were rejected because the government refused to negoticate and thus the unions walked away from a table where we were told, sign or we will legislate.
showing all comments
Programming1