Avro Arrow 2012-The Plane Truth

Posted By: Larry Fedoruk · 9/11/2012 7:49:00 AM

A lively discussion ensued Monday on the program after the story of the Avro Arrow, and one company's wish to make it Canada's next stealth fighter. That's right, our NEXT fighter.

Currently Canadians are arguing over purchase of F-35's at a cost of between $16 and $25 billion. Price point is one of the areas of disagreement. If we are going to have an air force of any kind, Canada's current CF-18's will need replacement by 2020. So far the F-35 has been headlining, although plans remain on hold.

BRING BACK THE ARROW?

Apparently back in 2010 a plan to build an updated Arrow was pitched to the Harper government by Boudreau Industries. Julian Fantino, then associate minister for national defence, rejected the plan in a letter. An updated 2012 pitch has the backing of retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie. The idea that Canadian post WWII design and technology is still cutting edge today is a romantic notion, and not without merit.

In the late 40's/early 50's the Soviet Union was building long range bombers capable of carrying nuclear warheads across the Arctic. North America needed an interceptor fighter jet capable of blowing the bombers out of the sky. The Avro Arrow project was born and over the next decade 5 were built, all prototypical but without the Orenda Iroquois engines they had planned to eventually use. A test flight was run in March of 1958 as you will see by the video below.

By 1959 then Prime Minister John Diefenbaker canceled the project and ordered all materials, including aircraft, cut for scrap. The announcement on February 20th of that year was known as “Black Friday” in the aviation industry for many years. Dief had campaigned on reigning in years of Liberal overspending and this was one of the projects he set his sights on. Some say it contributed to his eventual political demise.

A 1996 fictionalized film account called The Arrow starred Dan Aykroyd. A full size replica is on display at the Canadian Air and Space Museum, while the Avro Museum is completing a 60% scale manned flying replica. The legend won't die.

Many of the engineers and experts on the Arrow left to work for NASA. Others continued to be pioneers in the field of aviation. It is not inconceivable that what they envisioned some 60 years ago wouldn't have merit today. A 21st century Avro Arrow? Can you imagine such a thing? Maybe it's worth a closer look. LEAVE COMMENTS.

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  1. Alex posted on 09/11/2012 09:59 AM
    Being and aviation nut (and working in the industry) I found this to be an amazing piece of Canadian history. This is a truly awesome video and I thank you for sharing it with us, Larry.
    That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing Canada get on board and build fighter jets for our Air Force. Yes, we are a a nation of peace but we also need to have means to defend ourselves without having to spend an arm and a leg or rely on our neighbours to the South. We are quite capable of building successful aircraft (CRJ, Dash-8 for example) and I can't see why we wouldn't be able to build fighter jets, either.
    There is no point bringing the Arrow back from its ashes, its design is a bit dated now and it should remain exactly what it is - a piece of history.
  2. Larry Fedoruk posted on 09/11/2012 10:11 AM
    Thanks Alex. I would like to see Canada help create industry within our borders.
  3. AndrewE posted on 09/11/2012 09:08 PM
    this would be a great plane to bring bake, the design is not as dated as people think, it is still around today, outer country's still have planes with the delta wing design, the concord being one of them, the only thing that really killed the concord was the cost of air fare tickets, but as for fighter jets we are talking a cost not too far apart,
    i think they should give them some funding to build a flying proto-type, hell they fund other company's billions of dollars each year for things outrageously dumb,
    it it out preforms the outer jets we have something to do for, if it does not then we have a beautiful pece of history for air shows
  4. KevinM_2783 posted on 09/11/2012 10:29 PM
    I think it would be great to see them reinvent the arrow. Just think what advancements they could have made over the years had old diefenbaker not been so narrow minded. It would have been a great weapon for Canada as well as a great business asset. BRING BACK THE ARROW!
  5. Doug 2 posted on 09/12/2012 07:27 AM
    Perhaps we could develop a Canadian aviation industry that designs and builds drone aircraft for various uses. These unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) are a lot less expensive to purchase and maintain than more traditional aircraft. How many new fighter jets does Canada need and exactly for what purpose?
    1. AndrewE posted on 09/12/2012 05:05 PM
      @Doug 2 hi Doug, unmanned air craft are great, but they still will not replace the maned air craft, especially for missions in the arctic, my thoughts are that we would need to keep a maned air craft force of about 100 with a few of them being 2 seaters trainers
  6. Larry Fedoruk posted on 09/12/2012 05:33 PM
    Kevin, Andrew, Alex, Doug. Thx for the comments. Great conversation. Appreciated.
  7. MikeA_2252 posted on 09/14/2012 07:50 PM
    It would appear that the F35 does not meet the needs of a Canadian intercerceptor well enough that other planes including the Avro Arrow design should not be considered. Having perhaps up to 25 billion dollars stay in the country rather than going to the U.S. and all the jobs and technical skill fostered would be a great advantage to this country. I like the "can do" mentality a lot better than the Conservatives lack of vision and faith in our own industrial competence. We have an excellent track record for having developed and produced quality ships and planes already. The ground work has already been done and if anything the Avro design gives Canada a head start for a fighter of the here and now and of the future.
    Lets put Canada on the map, in the air and above the planet.
  8. Larry Fedoruk posted on 09/14/2012 08:05 PM
    Well said MikeA. Thx for the comment.
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